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AmishHacker

Star-faring Vagabond

Joined: 2003-October-26 Location: United States Posts: 570
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Posted: 2004-September-14 at 11:43pm | IP Logged
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Okay, I have had this really odd idea going through my head for quite some time now and need some opinions on it.
I personally think that since we have issues with fuel loads (among other things) in getting to new worlds, that we should attempt to land a craft on a passing comet and use it as a transit system. If we managed to perfect fast-construction colonies like inflatable structures or something similar, we could build a temporary colony on a passing comet and ride it out of the solar system.
I realize that there are many more variables to consider than just landing on a rock, but does anyone else other than me think that is a really far out idea? Talk about saving money and energy. We could ride to the outer reaches of the solar system and back. It would be the ultimate opportunity to study the gases and debris around the solar boundaries.
Oh well...just wishful thinking for me.
-Wes
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Prime

Planetary Explorer

Joined: 2004-August-09 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 210
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Posted: 2004-September-15 at 11:10am | IP Logged
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That is a perfectly resonable idea to me, except for a few technicallities. Firstly the comet will have to be made of a suitable material for us to construct a colony on it, I'm sure there are comets that would be suitable. Secondly, actually landing on one might prove difficult at first, but I'm not sure. Thirdly, the comet will have to be in a safe orbit  , otherwise we'll be sending ourselves on the biggest kamakazi run ever! Other than that the idea is perfectly resonable, comets have ice on them am I not correct so there is plenty of resourses there. With the fact that fuel is no longer an issue, more supplies can be taken in one go to set up the base. The research opportunities are sky high and the cost is an all time low! So in conclusion, lets hope that a comet just passes by in the not to distant future!
__________________ "Celestrial art is a representation of the beauty within the heavens and beyond yet we need not look for it. Real beauty lies within the hearts and minds of everyone on our Earth" - Michael Evans 2004
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Fahad

Cosmic Enigma

Joined: 2003-August-21 Location: Denmark Posts: 2006
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Posted: 2004-September-15 at 11:44am | IP Logged
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Nice idea Wes, however, I'm not sure how well it would perform in
reality. As the comets approach the star which they orbit they get
warmer and warmer, hence more unstable.
If a civilization would be kept in a comet for long, it would emit an
amount of radiation, which would contribute to heating up the comet and
making it more unstable and probably break up.
I read an interesting book a few years ago about an alien civilization
that had hidden itself in an asteroid, in the asteroid field and
monitoring earth. Earth sent a probe to investigate the asteroid and
many interesting things happen
__________________ Nova Celestia - Astronomical Illustrations and Space Art.
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AmishHacker

Star-faring Vagabond

Joined: 2003-October-26 Location: United States Posts: 570
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Posted: 2004-September-15 at 6:55pm | IP Logged
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Maybe we can just send Bruce Willis up there. Then we know it will work 
-Wes
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Prime

Planetary Explorer

Joined: 2004-August-09 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 210
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Posted: 2004-September-15 at 8:18pm | IP Logged
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 yeah that'll work, what his number again 046....
__________________ "Celestrial art is a representation of the beauty within the heavens and beyond yet we need not look for it. Real beauty lies within the hearts and minds of everyone on our Earth" - Michael Evans 2004
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Dinyctis

Star-faring Vagabond

Joined: 2003-September-24 Location: United States Posts: 569
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Posted: 2004-September-15 at 8:43pm | IP Logged
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By the time we actually have the capability to land and build stuff on
comets or asteroids......we will have pretty advanced propulsion
technology, which will make the comet bus idea seem pretty useless.
__________________ Skyetis
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djspinnet

Galactic Wayfarer

Joined: 2003-October-16 Location: Malaysia Posts: 781
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Posted: 2004-September-16 at 2:01pm | IP Logged
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and with dust and ice debri as "air pollution"
__________________ Jinny Wong
djspinnet.org // Sancta Colloquia
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CometRider

Primordial Blob

Joined: 2005-April-20 Location: United States Posts: 2
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Posted: 2005-April-20 at 4:36pm | IP Logged
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Wes has a wonderful idea. I just searched on the keywords "riding a comet" in Google, and it pointed me to this website. I just registered.
I just envisioned two comets or may be one one comet acting like a booster to your spaceship, and you are maneuvering your comet using dynamics of a comet. But we don't know how to maneuver a comet.
Did any one study about concepts of building a small comet???
Three Steps involved in riding a comet:
1. Landing with a thud on the comet. (needs to be researched)
2. Using the comet as your spaceship's booster (needs to be researched)
3. Be able to maneuve the comet using comet dynamics.(needs to be researched)
4. Then comes to Telemetry from the Comet.
Any more ideas.....?
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Klankster

Eternal Watchman

Joined: 2004-September-13 Location: United States Posts: 367
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Posted: 2005-April-20 at 10:45pm | IP Logged
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What a cool idea. As long as the comet had an orbit going roughly
where you wanted to go, and its orbit geometry was favorable (meaning
you don't have to use a ton of fuel to match its trajectory), you could
set down on it and get where you wanted to go with no need for a huge
fuel load.
What's even cooler is that while you were riding the thing, you could
mine the ices and process those into fuel to use once you got where you
were going.
Sure, there would be all sorts of issues, with some real hazards (lots
of debris and risk of breakup) as the comet headed in toward the sun,
though I guess you could hitch your ride on the comet's outbound leg,
where it would be cooling off, there would be less ice vaporization and
less dust and debris flying around the farther you get from the sun.
An interesting option would be to have part of the ship you're riding
be an engine that could be powered by materials mined from the comet so
that you could use it as a huge fuel tank and drive it (within limits)
where you wanted it to go.
__________________ Tom Hudson
www.klanky.com
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selden

Planetary Explorer

Joined: 2004-September-30 Location: United States Posts: 163
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Posted: 2005-April-21 at 8:19am | IP Logged
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Guys,
I hate to say it but...
In order to land on a comet, your spacecraft already has to be
travelling at the same speed and in the same direction as the comet is
going. In other words, you've already had to expend all the energy
needed to travel whereever the comet is going. You don't save anything.
In order to "steal" energy from a passing body, you either have to let
it smash into you, pushing you in a different direction from whatever
direction you're travelling previously or fly by it and let it pull you
in a very slightly different direction with its gravity. That's how
NASA got the Cassini probe all the way out to Saturn. They used the
gravity of several different planets. Comets have almost no gravity at
all :-(
__________________ Selden
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